During Thursday's edition of MSNBC Live With Katy Tur, host Katy Tur interviewed two of the network's favorite Republicans, Never-Trumpers Elise Jordan and Steve Schmidt. Tur pointed out that Jordan and Schmidt are the hosts of a new podcast called "Words Matter." Schmidt went on a tirade against the current Republican Party, which he called "the party of Trump." He effectively issued a call-to-action for all of his fellow Never-Trumpers: "For there to be any redemption of a right of center conservative party in the United States of America means the party of Trump must be destroyed politically. It's like a fire...For there to be new growth of a conservative movement, of a right of center party, the one that I joined in 1988, that's what needs to happen to the party of Trump. It needs to burn to the ground."