TAVIS SMILEY: It’s a bunch of silliness but to your point, Abby, your comment a moment ago that got me when you say he’s coming after the men, too. I think JD Vance has mommy issues. And it’s been fascinating for me to watch the way this has played out on the campaign trail. And because of those issues, he has subjected women across this country to all his bad ideas and all his bad policy. Maya Angelou once told me that processing pain without perpetuating pain is rough business.So if you’ve got mommy issues and you make everybody else in the country subject to that, that’s a real problem. But to your point, now he’s coming after the men.I remember an episode of This American Life years ago, where the staff all took testosterone tests. And when the results of that came in, the male host of that show, Ira, had the highest testosterone. And the executive producer of that show, a woman, had the highest level of testosterone, which suggests to me that the big dogs just rule. Male or female. The big dogs rule.
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ABBY PHILLIP: This conversation- I have learned a lot of interesting things.