ANAND GIRIDHARADAS: Do you know that those countries with universal health care -- you talk l to business people there -- they love having universal health care. You know why? Because they don't have to pay for it. Their companies -- they don't have to actually think about it. When they're starting a small business, they don't have to have this huge expense of having to pay for people, all right? When they're trying to recruit people to their small businesses, they don't have to deal with this problem of people not wanting to leave a big company because they don't want to lose their health care. It is actually better to live in a decent society, and when Americans start to wake up to that in greater numbers, it's going to be a great day.
HARI SREENIVASAN: The new show is called Seat at the Table. It's on Vice TV. Anand Giridharadas, t0hanks so much for joining me.
GIRIDHARADAS: Thanks for having me.
CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR: Anand keeping them honest there. That show is going to be must see TV.