“Do you think Rick Perry would be for that? Do you think he’d be
cheering for Ike today if he brought the troops in to desegregate the
schools in Little Rock? I don't think so!...I compared him to Bull
Connor with a smile yesterday. Maybe that was too far, but I’m still
learning about this guy....He talks about secession. He talks about
states’ rights. He’s got all the idiom of the guys who hate civil
— Matthews on the August 17, 2011 Hardball.